in article c232t3$1of6pq$1@ID-70171.news.uni-berlin.de, alfred at
prufrock@ekno.com wrote on 3/2/04 6:48 PM:

> Raffi Balmanoukian wrote:
>>
>> Does finding a horse's head in my bed count?
>
> I don't think your employer needs to take responsibility for poor dating
> choices.
>
>

Even more so when I sleep with the boss!

(self-employed.....whatever were you thinking? 8-))

"CollectorNZ" <collector@jun-kit.co.nz> wrote in message
news:404453f1@news.orcon.net.nz...
> Just how many people jump of Motorway Bridges in LA
>
> Try finding the figures

don't know, don't actually want to know

probably near
http://www.cdc.gov/
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/suifacts.htm
or local coroners reports

They do usually try not to hype it too much, media attention is like
an advertisement.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00031539.htm
It does have some fascination, evidence this thread.

People are not fundamentally logical and not machines
no matter how much we try to cast ouselves as such
or try to mould others to that imaginary ideal.
Yet, even machines break.

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:05:29 GMT, AKM <no.spam@inter.net> wrote:

>mtravelkay wrote:
>
>> 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
>> Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
>> Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
>> bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
>> body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
>> presumably because there was no 13th floor.
>
>If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
>the 12th?
>
No, the 13th. They run from 1-12, skip 13, and start again at 14.

Tarla
****
A word to the wise is infuriating.

--Hunter S. Thompson

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
<walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREPLY.ns.sympatico.c a> wrote:

>in article ZV41c.20640$EO1.14169@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com, AKM at
>no.spam@inter.net wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM:
>
>> mtravelkay wrote:
>>
>>> 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
>>> Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
>>> Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
>>> bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
>>> body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
>>> presumably because there was no 13th floor.
>>
>> If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
>> the 12th?
>>
>>
>
>Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.

You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
floor.
Tarla
****
A word to the wise is infuriating.

--Hunter S. Thompson

in article 7taa40l1qpbfp3cej9jlpuf1g8s6lmp385@4ax.com, Tarla at
tarlaREMOVE@xtra.co.nz wrote on 3/2/04 8:52 PM:

> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
> <walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREPLY.ns.sympatico.c a> wrote:
>
>> in article ZV41c.20640$EO1.14169@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com, AKM at
>> no.spam@inter.net wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM:
>>
>>> mtravelkay wrote:
>>>
>>>> 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
>>>> Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
>>>> Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
>>>> bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
>>>> body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
>>>> presumably because there was no 13th floor.
>>>
>>> If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
>>> the 12th?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.
>
> You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
> the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
> basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
> say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
> ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
> floor.
> Tarla
> ****
> A word to the wise is infuriating.
>
> --Hunter S. Thompson


Nup....in non-N.A. counting, the "regular" 13th floor would be the 12th
(ground + 12 stories). So the 14th would be the 13th in non-NA
counting....and since 13 is a no-no, 13 becomes 12.

"Tarla" <tarlaREMOVE@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:sqaa40prjb8sub0n0f555tapp1odehb5uv@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:05:29 GMT, AKM <no.spam@inter.net> wrote:

> >If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
> >the 12th?
> >
> No, the 13th. They run from 1-12, skip 13, and start again at 14.
>
> Tarla
> ****
> A word to the wise is infuriating.
>
> --Hunter S. Thompson

Easiest way to show it.
(16)
(15)
(14)
(12)
(11)
(10)
(9)
(8)
(7)
(6)
(5)
(4)
(3)
(2)
(Ground Floor or 1)

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:26 +1300, Tarla <tarlaREMOVE@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
><walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREPLY.ns.sympatico.ca > wrote:
>
>>in article ZV41c.20640$EO1.14169@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com, AKM at
>>no.spam@inter.net wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM:
>>
>>> mtravelkay wrote:
>>>
>>>> 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
>>>> Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
>>>> Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
>>>> bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
>>>> body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
>>>> presumably because there was no 13th floor.
>>>
>>> If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
>>> the 12th?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.
>
>You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
>the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
>basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
>say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
>ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
>floor.
>Tarla
>****
Tarla,

I haven't been following this thread too well. I remember Canada being
pretty much the same as the US and IIRC the UK. Is the 13th left
everywhere in the US and is it because of superstition? Silly question
I know but need an answer. :-D


Nelly.
If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours :-)

in article i1ca40lel63vbq6ps0d4bnombc8ghq1blt@4ax.com, Nelly at
gusnelly5@hotmail.com wrote on 3/2/04 9:12 PM:

> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:26 +1300, Tarla <tarlaREMOVE@xtra.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
>> <walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREPLY.ns.sympatico.c a> wrote:
>>
>>> in article ZV41c.20640$EO1.14169@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com, AKM at
>>> no.spam@inter.net wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM:
>>>
>>>> mtravelkay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
>>>>> Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
>>>>> Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
>>>>> bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
>>>>> body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
>>>>> presumably because there was no 13th floor.
>>>>
>>>> If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
>>>> the 12th?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.
>>
>> You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
>> the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
>> basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
>> say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
>> ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
>> floor.
>> Tarla
>> ****
> Tarla,
>
> I haven't been following this thread too well. I remember Canada being
> pretty much the same as the US and IIRC the UK.

In terms of floor numbering, yes. In terms of everything else.....bite your
tongue!


Is the 13th left
> everywhere in the US and is it because of superstition? Silly question
> I know but need an answer. :-D

Yeah. A lot of airliners don't have a 13th row either (or, to be precise,
a row with the number 13)

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:20:44 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
<walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREPLY.ns.sympatico.c a> wrote:

>in article i1ca40lel63vbq6ps0d4bnombc8ghq1blt@4ax.com, Nelly at
>gusnelly5@hotmail.com wrote on 3/2/04 9:12 PM:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:26 +1300, Tarla <tarlaREMOVE@xtra.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
>>> <walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREPLY.ns.sympatico.c a> wrote:
>>>
>>>> in article ZV41c.20640$EO1.14169@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com, AKM at
>>>> no.spam@inter.net wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> mtravelkay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in
>>>>>> Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the
>>>>>> Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a
>>>>>> bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a
>>>>>> body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor,
>>>>>> presumably because there was no 13th floor.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only
>>>>> the 12th?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.
>>>
>>> You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
>>> the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
>>> basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
>>> say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
>>> ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
>>> floor.
>>> Tarla
>>> ****
>> Tarla,
>>
>> I haven't been following this thread too well. I remember Canada being
>> pretty much the same as the US and IIRC the UK.
>
>In terms of floor numbering, yes. In terms of everything else.....bite your
>tongue!
>
>
> Is the 13th left
>> everywhere in the US and is it because of superstition? Silly question
>> I know but need an answer. :-D
>
>Yeah. A lot of airliners don't have a 13th row either (or, to be precise,
>a row with the number 13)

I never noticed. May be they should take the 9 and 11 out of the
equation now.


Nelly.
If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours :-)

in article gvca40davq7efktgebvofs45p3co2q4dao@4ax.com, Nelly at
gusnelly5@hotmail.com wrote on 3/2/04 9:26 PM:

> I never noticed. May be they should take the 9 and 11 out of the
> equation now.

I would argue 10 and 12 on Australian airliners (Bali)