Don't forget: as the Idiot-in-Chief likes to say, "Family values don't stop at
the border."


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/o...99_mz1e28perki
n.html

Joseph Perkins
THE SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE

November 28, 2003

The young couple and their 9-year-old son were detained by police on the
evening of Oct. 7 after having crossed the U.S.-Mexico border earlier that day.

Two officers walked the husband and the son to an ATM, relieving the husband of
the cash they forced him to withdraw. Meanwhile, two other officers escorted
the wife to a police station.

She was ordered to take off her clothes – the better to strip search her.
Then one officer allegedly raped her as the other kept watch.

Had this crime occurred in San Diego, had the young couple and their son been
Mexican nationals, it would have touched off a firestorm. There would have been
demands for justice by a rightfully angry Mexican community. There would have
been marches and demonstrations organized by activist groups like MEChA.

There would have been declarations by politicians – like California state
Senate President Pro Tempore John Burton, who suggested last week that anyone
opposing driver's licenses for illegal immigrants is "racist" – that the
police are hateful toward brown-skinned people.

But there have been no demands for justice in this case. No marches or
demonstrations in support of the victims. No blanket condemnations of the cops
by politicians.

That's because the crime took place in Tijuana. And the victims were Americans.

So the husband and the wife, a 32-year-old with an Iowa driver's license, are
left to the tender mercies of the Mexican judicial system.

After filing a criminal complaint with the Baja California Attorney General's
Office, four Tijuana municipal police officers were charged with crimes against
the American turistas.

The most serious charges, including rape, extortion and abuse of authority,
were made against officer Héctor Manuel Arias Campos. He's a supervisor on the
Tijuana police force working in a unit assigned to assist tourists.

Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse.

Baja California's top state law enforcement official promises to throw the book
at Arias Campos and his three subordinates if they are found guilty.

"In this case," said Attorney General Antonio MartÃ*nez Luna, "the punishment
has to be more severe. Police officers are the first ones who should obey the
law."

But Mexican officials have been anything but severe with Tijuana police
officers who prey upon the border city's 26 million yearly visitors.

Earlier this year, in fact, the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana beseeched city
officials to follow up on complaints from American tourists who said they had
been shaken down by the border city's crooked cops.

Tijuana's internal affairs unit responded by recommending punishment for 16
officers involved in eight different incidents. And a six-member commission –
including two Tijuana City Council members, two city government employees and
two private citizens – acted upon the recommendations, suspending the 16
officers 30 days without pay.

That, apparently, is the going punishment south of the border for shaking down
Yankee turistas.

Indeed, the leniency with which San Diego's Mexican neighbor deals with its
corrupt cops explains why, as a spokeswoman for MartÃ*nez Luna's office
acknowledged, "Police extortion is common among tourists."

Let us consider again if the situation were reversed, if Mexican nationals were
shaken down by cops in San Diego or Nogales, Ariz., or Columbus, N.M., or El
Paso, Texas.

You can bet your last peso those police officers would not get off with a mere
30 unpaid days away from the force. They'd be fired. They'd be thrown in jail.
They'd be vilified as racist, xenophobic cops on the evening news, on the front
page of the morning paper.

Yet there hasn't been even the slightest suggestion in any quarter that the
Tijuana police officers who allegedly raped an American women, who shook down
her husband were either racist or xenophobic.

That's because, under the liberal orthodoxy, only white folks can be racist.
Only Americans can be xenophobic.

Well there's at least one young American couple that knows better. They've
learned firsthand, from the Tijuana police, just how hostile some brown folks
can be against non-browns, how contemptuous some Mexicans can be toward
Americans.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams

Ur name is hate-propaganda guy, right ?



"InfoGuy123" <infoguy123@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:20031130151532.27776.00001294@mb-m06.aol.com
> Don't forget: as the Idiot-in-Chief likes to say, "Family values
> don't stop at the border."
>
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/o...99_mz1e28perki
> n.html
>
> Joseph Perkins
> THE SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
>
> November 28, 2003
>
> The young couple and their 9-year-old son were detained by police on
> the evening of Oct. 7 after having crossed the U.S.-Mexico border
> earlier that day.
>
> Two officers walked the husband and the son to an ATM, relieving the
> husband of the cash they forced him to withdraw. Meanwhile, two other
> officers escorted the wife to a police station.
>
> She was ordered to take off her clothes - the better to strip search
> her.
> Then one officer allegedly raped her as the other kept watch.
>
> Had this crime occurred in San Diego, had the young couple and their
> son been Mexican nationals, it would have touched off a firestorm.
> There would have been demands for justice by a rightfully angry
> Mexican community. There would have been marches and demonstrations
> organized by activist groups like MEChA.
>
> There would have been declarations by politicians - like California
> state Senate President Pro Tempore John Burton, who suggested last
> week that anyone opposing driver's licenses for illegal immigrants is
> "racist" - that the police are hateful toward brown-skinned people.
>
> But there have been no demands for justice in this case. No marches or
> demonstrations in support of the victims. No blanket condemnations of
> the cops by politicians.
>
> That's because the crime took place in Tijuana. And the victims were
> Americans.
>
> So the husband and the wife, a 32-year-old with an Iowa driver's
> license, are left to the tender mercies of the Mexican judicial
> system.
>
> After filing a criminal complaint with the Baja California Attorney
> General's Office, four Tijuana municipal police officers were charged
> with crimes against the American turistas.
>
> The most serious charges, including rape, extortion and abuse of
> authority, were made against officer Héctor Manuel Arias Campos. He's
> a supervisor on the Tijuana police force working in a unit assigned
> to assist tourists.
>
> Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse.
>
> Baja California's top state law enforcement official promises to
> throw the book at Arias Campos and his three subordinates if they are
> found guilty.
>
> "In this case," said Attorney General Antonio Martínez Luna, "the
> punishment has to be more severe. Police officers are the first ones
> who should obey the law."
>
> But Mexican officials have been anything but severe with Tijuana
> police officers who prey upon the border city's 26 million yearly
> visitors.
>
> Earlier this year, in fact, the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana beseeched
> city officials to follow up on complaints from American tourists who
> said they had been shaken down by the border city's crooked cops.
>
> Tijuana's internal affairs unit responded by recommending punishment
> for 16 officers involved in eight different incidents. And a
> six-member commission - including two Tijuana City Council members,
> two city government employees and two private citizens - acted upon
> the recommendations, suspending the 16 officers 30 days without pay.
>
> That, apparently, is the going punishment south of the border for
> shaking down Yankee turistas.
>
> Indeed, the leniency with which San Diego's Mexican neighbor deals
> with its corrupt cops explains why, as a spokeswoman for Martínez
> Luna's office acknowledged, "Police extortion is common among
> tourists."
>
> Let us consider again if the situation were reversed, if Mexican
> nationals were shaken down by cops in San Diego or Nogales, Ariz., or
> Columbus, N.M., or El Paso, Texas.
>
> You can bet your last peso those police officers would not get off
> with a mere 30 unpaid days away from the force. They'd be fired.
> They'd be thrown in jail. They'd be vilified as racist, xenophobic
> cops on the evening news, on the front page of the morning paper.
>
> Yet there hasn't been even the slightest suggestion in any quarter
> that the Tijuana police officers who allegedly raped an American
> women, who shook down her husband were either racist or xenophobic.
>
> That's because, under the liberal orthodoxy, only white folks can be
> racist. Only Americans can be xenophobic.
>
> Well there's at least one young American couple that knows better.
> They've learned firsthand, from the Tijuana police, just how hostile
> some brown folks can be against non-browns, how contemptuous some
> Mexicans can be toward Americans.
>
> "If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ...
> freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your
> arms ... May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget
> that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

First, could be true, but I certainly wouldn't assume it to be true
just because it appeared in a newspaper. Newspapers are notorious
liars and almost always get at least part of the story wrong even when
they get something right.

Second, if true, Are you staying the U.S. police don't participate in
the same sorts of activities? Because they do...all the time. And not
just against Mexican nationals.

Third, had this crime occurred in San Diego and regardless of the
nationalities of the victims/perpetrators, there is no guarantee that
anything different would have happened on this side of the border. In
fact, Mexican women are lured to the border to work in U.S.-owned
factories on the Mexican side for $5/day, where they are then
regularly raped murdered by the 100's, and it arouses almost NO
indignation by anyone, especially not from all you folks out shopping
for sweat shop clothing at Wal-mart (and I hope it's not too dirty for
you there since the INS arrested all the illegal immigrant cleaning
crews; but you'll be indignant if Wal-mart hires Americans...and you
have to pay more).

"Jon" <jjedif@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:22165acf.0312021543.716751af@posting.google.c om...
> First, could be true, but I certainly wouldn't assume it to be true
> just because it appeared in a newspaper. Newspapers are notorious
> liars and almost always get at least part of the story wrong even when
> they get something right.

Maybe where you live, here in the real world most of the papers have entire
departments that are dedicated to checking facts.

> Second, if true, Are you staying the U.S. police don't participate in
> the same sorts of activities? Because they do...all the time. And not
> just against Mexican nationals.

US cops regularly rob and rape tourists? Can you give us some statistics
and documented cases of such behavior? Are you just waving your arms?

> Third, had this crime occurred in San Diego and regardless of the
> nationalities of the victims/perpetrators, there is no guarantee that
> anything different would have happened on this side of the border. In
> fact, Mexican women are lured to the border to work in U.S.-owned
> factories on the Mexican side for $5/day, where they are then
> regularly raped murdered by the 100's, and it arouses almost NO
> indignation by anyone, especially not from all you folks out shopping
> for sweat shop clothing at Wal-mart (and I hope it's not too dirty for
> you there since the INS arrested all the illegal immigrant cleaning
> crews; but you'll be indignant if Wal-mart hires Americans...and you
> have to pay more).

Sorry I can't spend more time responding here, I uh need to go do some
Christmas shopping at Wal Mart.

Anyway at Walmart's everything is made in China

"Bob F." <bobf@phantom.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:3fce48b9$0$43848$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net. ..
>
> "Jon" <jjedif@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:22165acf.0312021543.716751af@posting.google.c om...
> > First, could be true, but I certainly wouldn't assume it to be true
> > just because it appeared in a newspaper. Newspapers are notorious
> > liars and almost always get at least part of the story wrong even when
> > they get something right.
>
> Maybe where you live, here in the real world most of the papers have
entire
> departments that are dedicated to checking facts.
>
> > Second, if true, Are you staying the U.S. police don't participate in
> > the same sorts of activities? Because they do...all the time. And not
> > just against Mexican nationals.
>
> US cops regularly rob and rape tourists? Can you give us some statistics
> and documented cases of such behavior? Are you just waving your arms?
>
> > Third, had this crime occurred in San Diego and regardless of the
> > nationalities of the victims/perpetrators, there is no guarantee that
> > anything different would have happened on this side of the border. In
> > fact, Mexican women are lured to the border to work in U.S.-owned
> > factories on the Mexican side for $5/day, where they are then
> > regularly raped murdered by the 100's, and it arouses almost NO
> > indignation by anyone, especially not from all you folks out shopping
> > for sweat shop clothing at Wal-mart (and I hope it's not too dirty for
> > you there since the INS arrested all the illegal immigrant cleaning
> > crews; but you'll be indignant if Wal-mart hires Americans...and you
> > have to pay more).
>
> Sorry I can't spend more time responding here, I uh need to go do some
> Christmas shopping at Wal Mart.
>
>

> Maybe where you live, here in the real world most of the papers have entire
departments that are dedicated to checking facts.

Seems like a pretty broad statement. I have lived in the U S from San Diego,
California on the West coast to Washington, D C on the East coast and many
places in between. I was a central Dallas Texas police patrolman. I have viewed
many occurrences that was reported in the newspapers and I can't remember one
that was completely accurate. I can remember many that was very incorrect. I.e.
About 2 AM I was reading in my country home when I heard a car roar by and a
loud thump. I grabbed a light and ran out. A young couple in a convertible had
hit an electrical pole. Both went flying. The young lady hit the pole and her
skull was split. The young man crawled around until he located her. While
trying to revive her got a handful of brain and came unglued. I called 911 and
gave them all the info I had. The Police, ambulance and newspeople arrived
about 10 minutes later. The young lady was laying on her back appearing as if
she was sleeping except for the head injury. The News Photographer moved the
hem of bottom of her dress to just below her crouch before taking her photo. I
went back in my house and spoke to no one. Keep Smiling, Buddy

"PBB77" <pbb77@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031206132737.22081.00002331@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > Maybe where you live, here in the real world most of the papers have
entire
> departments that are dedicated to checking facts.
>
> Seems like a pretty broad statement. I have lived in the U S from San
Diego,
> California on the West coast to Washington, D C on the East coast and many
> Blah, blah,blah
> gave them all the info I had. The Police, ambulance and newspeople arrived
> about 10 minutes later. The young lady was laying on her back appearing as
if
> she was sleeping except for the head injury. The News Photographer moved
the
> hem of bottom of her dress to just below her crouch before taking her
photo. I
> went back in my house and spoke to no one. Keep Smiling, Buddy

Okay "Chief". What point are you trying to make with this pointless story?
That newspapers don't check facts? You haven't convinced me with this
little gem of wisdom.

Keep on Smilin',
Buddy

Info guy is racist and needs to get a grip on reality.

The reason Americans didn't march in protest is because they expect
Mexican authorities to do just as they did. In the USA, we expect our
police to be honest, hardworking, helpful, and so on. In Mexico,
authorities are expected by everyone, including the average Mexican
citizen, to be dishonest, easily bribed, cruel, lazy, and sloppy in
their efforts.

Despite the rigorous background checks prior to hiring, American
police officers do occasionally become thugs (that sometimes even
rape). It's rare, just as this Mexican story is rare, but it does
happen. When one considers the primative recruitment program the
Mexican government must use to find personnel for its pathetically
paid police force, it's amazing that we don't hear more often about
such stories.

I don't know about the Tijuana police force, but I can report about
local authorities along the highway leading from Guaymas. Once,
several friends and I were forced to pull over and later follow the
officers to a remote station and jail. We had too many margaritas and
had a failed headlight on a night drive home. We were three guys and
a gal, and we were concerned when the blond haird gal was separated
from the rest of us. The jail was simple painted cinderblack and bars
just as one sees in an old western movie, but I don't recall unhealthy
conditions at all. When dawn came we were released, and we learned
that the girl had been treated OK.

Info guy is ignorant of reality and racist. The Mexican citizens are
disgusted with their seeminly hoplessly corrupt government too.

infoguy123@aol.com (InfoGuy123) wrote in message news:<20031130151532.27776.00001294@mb-m06.aol.com>...
> Don't forget: as the Idiot-in-Chief likes to say, "Family values don't stop at
> the border."
>
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/o...99_mz1e28perki
> n.html
>
> Joseph Perkins
> THE SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
>
> November 28, 2003
>
> The young couple and their 9-year-old son were detained by police on the
> evening of Oct. 7 after having crossed the U.S.-Mexico border earlier that day.
>
> Two officers walked the husband and the son to an ATM, relieving the husband of
> the cash they forced him to withdraw. Meanwhile, two other officers escorted
> the wife to a police station.
>
> She was ordered to take off her clothes â€" the better to strip search her.
> Then one officer allegedly raped her as the other kept watch.
>
> Had this crime occurred in San Diego, had the young couple and their son been
> Mexican nationals, it would have touched off a firestorm. There would have been
> demands for justice by a rightfully angry Mexican community. There would have
> been marches and demonstrations organized by activist groups like MEChA.
>
> There would have been declarations by politicians â€" like California state
> Senate President Pro Tempore John Burton, who suggested last week that anyone
> opposing driver's licenses for illegal immigrants is "racist" â€" that the
> police are hateful toward brown-skinned people.
>
> But there have been no demands for justice in this case. No marches or
> demonstrations in support of the victims. No blanket condemnations of the cops
> by politicians.
>
> That's because the crime took place in Tijuana. And the victims were Americans.
>
> So the husband and the wife, a 32-year-old with an Iowa driver's license, are
> left to the tender mercies of the Mexican judicial system.
>
> After filing a criminal complaint with the Baja California Attorney General's
> Office, four Tijuana municipal police officers were charged with crimes against
> the American turistas.
>
> The most serious charges, including rape, extortion and abuse of authority,
> were made against officer Héctor Manuel Arias Campos. He's a supervisor on the
> Tijuana police force working in a unit assigned to assist tourists.
>
> Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse.
>
> Baja California's top state law enforcement official promises to throw the book
> at Arias Campos and his three subordinates if they are found guilty.
>
> "In this case," said Attorney General Antonio MartÃÂ*nez Luna, "the punishment
> has to be more severe. Police officers are the first ones who should obey the
> law."
>
> But Mexican officials have been anything but severe with Tijuana police
> officers who prey upon the border city's 26 million yearly visitors.
>
> Earlier this year, in fact, the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana beseeched city
> officials to follow up on complaints from American tourists who said they had
> been shaken down by the border city's crooked cops.
>
> Tijuana's internal affairs unit responded by recommending punishment for 16
> officers involved in eight different incidents. And a six-member commission â€"
> including two Tijuana City Council members, two city government employees and
> two private citizens â€" acted upon the recommendations, suspending the 16
> officers 30 days without pay.
>
> That, apparently, is the going punishment south of the border for shaking down
> Yankee turistas.
>
> Indeed, the leniency with which San Diego's Mexican neighbor deals with its
> corrupt cops explains why, as a spokeswoman for MartÃÂ*nez Luna's office
> acknowledged, "Police extortion is common among tourists."
>
> Let us consider again if the situation were reversed, if Mexican nationals were
> shaken down by cops in San Diego or Nogales, Ariz., or Columbus, N.M., or El
> Paso, Texas.
>
> You can bet your last peso those police officers would not get off with a mere
> 30 unpaid days away from the force. They'd be fired. They'd be thrown in jail.
> They'd be vilified as racist, xenophobic cops on the evening news, on the front
> page of the morning paper.
>
> Yet there hasn't been even the slightest suggestion in any quarter that the
> Tijuana police officers who allegedly raped an American women, who shook down
> her husband were either racist or xenophobic.
>
> That's because, under the liberal orthodoxy, only white folks can be racist.
> Only Americans can be xenophobic.
>
> Well there's at least one young American couple that knows better. They've
> learned firsthand, from the Tijuana police, just how hostile some brown folks
> can be against non-browns, how contemptuous some Mexicans can be toward
> Americans.
>
> "If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
> go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
> chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
> - Samuel Adams

Info guy is racist and needs to get a grip on reality.

The reason Americans didn't march in protest is because they expect
Mexican authorities to do just as they did. In the USA, we expect our
police to be honest, hardworking, helpful, and so on. In Mexico,
authorities are expected by everyone, including the average Mexican
citizen, to be dishonest, easily bribed, cruel, lazy, and sloppy in
their efforts.

Despite the rigorous background checks prior to hiring, American
police officers do occasionally become thugs (that sometimes even
rape). It's rare, just as this Mexican story is rare, but it does
happen. When one considers the primative recruitment program the
Mexican government must use to find personnel for its pathetically
paid police force, it's amazing that we don't hear more often about
such stories.

I don't know about the Tijuana police force, but I can report about
local authorities along the highway leading from Guaymas. Once,
several friends and I were forced to pull over and later follow the
officers to a remote station and jail. We had too many margaritas and
had a failed headlight on a night drive home. We were three guys and
a gal, and we were concerned when the blond haird gal was separated
from the rest of us. The jail was simple painted cinderblack and bars
just as one sees in an old western movie, but I don't recall unhealthy
conditions at all. When dawn came we were released, and we learned
that the girl had been treated OK.

Info guy is ignorant of reality and racist. The Mexican citizens are
disgusted with their seeminly hoplessly corrupt government too.

infoguy123@aol.com (InfoGuy123) wrote in message news:<20031130151532.27776.00001294@mb-m06.aol.com>...
> Don't forget: as the Idiot-in-Chief likes to say, "Family values don't stop at
> the border."
>
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/o...99_mz1e28perki
> n.html
>
> Joseph Perkins
> THE SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
>
> November 28, 2003
>
> The young couple and their 9-year-old son were detained by police on the
> evening of Oct. 7 after having crossed the U.S.-Mexico border earlier that day.
>
> Two officers walked the husband and the son to an ATM, relieving the husband of
> the cash they forced him to withdraw. Meanwhile, two other officers escorted
> the wife to a police station.
>
> She was ordered to take off her clothes â€" the better to strip search her.
> Then one officer allegedly raped her as the other kept watch.
>
> Had this crime occurred in San Diego, had the young couple and their son been
> Mexican nationals, it would have touched off a firestorm. There would have been
> demands for justice by a rightfully angry Mexican community. There would have
> been marches and demonstrations organized by activist groups like MEChA.
>
> There would have been declarations by politicians â€" like California state
> Senate President Pro Tempore John Burton, who suggested last week that anyone
> opposing driver's licenses for illegal immigrants is "racist" â€" that the
> police are hateful toward brown-skinned people.
>
> But there have been no demands for justice in this case. No marches or
> demonstrations in support of the victims. No blanket condemnations of the cops
> by politicians.
>
> That's because the crime took place in Tijuana. And the victims were Americans.
>
> So the husband and the wife, a 32-year-old with an Iowa driver's license, are
> left to the tender mercies of the Mexican judicial system.
>
> After filing a criminal complaint with the Baja California Attorney General's
> Office, four Tijuana municipal police officers were charged with crimes against
> the American turistas.
>
> The most serious charges, including rape, extortion and abuse of authority,
> were made against officer Héctor Manuel Arias Campos. He's a supervisor on the
> Tijuana police force working in a unit assigned to assist tourists.
>
> Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse.
>
> Baja California's top state law enforcement official promises to throw the book
> at Arias Campos and his three subordinates if they are found guilty.
>
> "In this case," said Attorney General Antonio MartÃÂ*nez Luna, "the punishment
> has to be more severe. Police officers are the first ones who should obey the
> law."
>
> But Mexican officials have been anything but severe with Tijuana police
> officers who prey upon the border city's 26 million yearly visitors.
>
> Earlier this year, in fact, the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana beseeched city
> officials to follow up on complaints from American tourists who said they had
> been shaken down by the border city's crooked cops.
>
> Tijuana's internal affairs unit responded by recommending punishment for 16
> officers involved in eight different incidents. And a six-member commission â€"
> including two Tijuana City Council members, two city government employees and
> two private citizens â€" acted upon the recommendations, suspending the 16
> officers 30 days without pay.
>
> That, apparently, is the going punishment south of the border for shaking down
> Yankee turistas.
>
> Indeed, the leniency with which San Diego's Mexican neighbor deals with its
> corrupt cops explains why, as a spokeswoman for MartÃÂ*nez Luna's office
> acknowledged, "Police extortion is common among tourists."
>
> Let us consider again if the situation were reversed, if Mexican nationals were
> shaken down by cops in San Diego or Nogales, Ariz., or Columbus, N.M., or El
> Paso, Texas.
>
> You can bet your last peso those police officers would not get off with a mere
> 30 unpaid days away from the force. They'd be fired. They'd be thrown in jail.
> They'd be vilified as racist, xenophobic cops on the evening news, on the front
> page of the morning paper.
>
> Yet there hasn't been even the slightest suggestion in any quarter that the
> Tijuana police officers who allegedly raped an American women, who shook down
> her husband were either racist or xenophobic.
>
> That's because, under the liberal orthodoxy, only white folks can be racist.
> Only Americans can be xenophobic.
>
> Well there's at least one young American couple that knows better. They've
> learned firsthand, from the Tijuana police, just how hostile some brown folks
> can be against non-browns, how contemptuous some Mexicans can be toward
> Americans.
>
> "If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
> go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
> chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
> - Samuel Adams